Retrieving non-prepper family at the onset of SHTF

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:54 pm

Ok. I'm hoping i'm not the only tin-hat to ponder this. I have ALOT of family that chose to ingnore my advice about what posibly could be down the road and they do not prep.At all.
Even though they are making a conscious decision not to prep, they are still family. That said, I would feel like hell if there was any possibility of retrieving them and I did not bring them to my location at the onset of SHTF.
Much of this would depend on what for SHTF takes and how fast.
Benefits: Ensure family is safe and secure.Additional people power for prep, defense,gathering,repairs,farming,etc.

Downsides: Extreme risk of rescue depending on how SHTF.If I die or am crippled during rescue, it would endanger my wife and kids. Chances of success dependent on many varibles outside of my control.

There are some varibles that I can label right now using METT-TC (mission, enemy, terrain and weather, troops and support available, time available, civil considerations).Take a look and see what you would need to do/use to get something done when SHTF.
Mission - Retrieve family members willing to come with me safely without injuries.
Enemy - Dependent on how SHTF. criminal elements (in whatever for that happens to be)
Time - To cover 800 miles over various roads in optimum conditions could take 13 hours. If roads are jammed, destroyed (By Bluefor or Redfor), or rerouted/detoured, checkpoints,etc. These could be a big prob.
Terrain - Covers multiple states from mountains to rolling hills and flat areas, lakes,rivers, streams.
Weather - If winter there could be multiple feet of unplowed snow on the roads, Travelling 800 miles by snowmobile is greatly appealing.
Support - I have a bud who is a prepper that lives about 1.5 miles from me he is Ex special forces communications NCO. He MIGHT be willing to help me on this quest.Might. Multiple vehicles available and assorted equipment for mission completion.
Civil - This could be a big section. Are you willing to circumvent roadblock/checkpoints to get where you need to? Evade if needed?
I am not and will not list details about my specific issue but have rather tried start some thoughtful discussion. I'm also open to input and sugestions of how others might accomplish a task like this or similar. :pop:

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:13 pm

I hate to sound cruel, but as far as right now, I will expect my family members to come to me if they have to.

I have 3 strong healthy boys. They are younger and more agile than me (although not nearly as well armed).
I think you may be putting your immediate family in danger if you leave them and will you even know if your family is where you are driving 800 miles to find them. When SHTF there will most likely be no mode of communication.

Do you expect them to stay there and survive long enough for you to get there?

Consider the resources you will need to use to get to them and make sure that you have those extra resources so that you are not leaving your immediate family without.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:38 pm

I also have family that are this way. Call me what you will but they are on their own. I've tried to open their eyes and they tell me I'm paranoid or stupid so they can just fight over the last scrap of bread at the supermarket. They'll get no help from me. If I was to go try and get them I'd be apt to leave them and take their dogs so at least the smarter ones in their family have a chance.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:56 pm

I have let my kids (all adult) know my feelings on shtf. They know that I expect them to try and make their way to me. I have helped them plan different ways of getting here. The farthest away is 600 miles.
I will hope that they can make it, but they are fully aware of what is going on and know the danger of where they live (DC)...they are on their own. The other ones are only about 150 miles away, they know to try and make it on back orads and have started mapping the routes. They will do what they can to make it here, but in the end...they are on their own.
You can not be responsible for people who will not take their own safety into consideration. You can't leave your immediate family for people who will be more of a burden than a help....have you prepared enough food for them all? Do you have a vehicle that can travel 1600 miles (800 both ways) and carry the gas needed for the trip AND carry those people and all their useless junk? (my guess is not unless you have a bullet proof bus)
There are somethings you can do and some things you can't...it's part of the really crappy part of being awake and prepared. I have said my mental good bye to all the friends and family who I know won't make it already.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:44 pm

I respect the opinions so far. I'm looking for some more input into also what if you need to make a tactical or strategic move to another area for ______?

The asnwer to the could I support the extra members is this. Could I get to them with the resources at my disposal right now? Yes. Could I support them with food right now? No. That will be changing in the near future though.
I've been pondering drawing up rather extensive plans for a "self-extraction" for my various family members. meaning a step by step plan of how to get to where I am. These will be extensive and well thought out of course. Its just that at this time I can't imagine a scenario where I would leave the homestead to try a rescue.
I'm glad and disgusted (in a good way?) at the reality check many of you have made. That survival is just that.Surviving. :beer:

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:00 pm

Quote: "Additional people power for prep, defense,gathering,repairs,farming,etc."

They are already of the mindset it can't and won't happen. Do you really think they will be able to withstand the shock of it occurring?

What survival skills would these people bring into your compound? Usually those who deny the need to prepare have little if any skills of a useful nature.

Most farming types well know the ease of disasters and loss of crops. So they can recognize a need for preps.

Defense? Any weapons training or military experience?

Medical? Any dirty hands on training or is it all sterile OR type of stuff?

Look up triage that is the situation you are looking at. Oh and at a 1600 mile round trip in Post SHTF times? I wouldn't give good odds for success let alone survival.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:12 pm

I have grown kids, and family who are away form me. The kids have their own place, but I won't try and go there and they won't try and come here, no need. They know what is coming and are prepped and able.

Now if family or friends show up where ever I am, I would take them in, we would manage somehow, none of my family or friends are useless, and have skills and smarts, but no way I would go out to get them and leave those who depend on me being where I will be. Does not make sense. I would not expect others to do it for me, and I would not do it for them, unless there was a really good reason and a good reason is not because they decided not to prep or figure a way to get to me.

Luckily most of my family and friends kinda know whats coming and are prepping. They have their plans and I have mine. The kids, I know where they will be because I bought the place for them when they were babies and it was picked for in case the SHTF.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:23 pm

ok...since this is so important, let me ask you:
who ARE these people? are they parents? if so, will they not listen to a heart felt talk from you?
are they borthers and sisters? if so, again, heart felt and RATIONAL talk (no "the worlds going to end!" lol)... parents I can understand the absolute need to want them with you...however, they are adults and may have subconsiously made a choice. brothers & sisters, also are adults...but they would be more likely to be helpful in a shtf situation. Anyone else is NOT your problem.
In all likely hood, if it comes to a situation that would make them need to come to you, then it will be too to go and get them. My suggestion would be this:
TALK from the heart, to each of the ones you feel this need to have come to you. Explain that even if they think you are nuts, to listen. Just tell them that if the worst happens, they can come to you. end of it. Make a detailed map, with alternate routes and tips for them, put it in a packet and give it to them in case of emergency. They all have insurance, this is insurance for them if something bad happens. Then let it go. You will have done the best you can.

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959 959's Profile E-mail 959 SHTF Specialist Posts: 146 Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:45 pm Gave Thanks: 0 time Been Thanked: 9 times Blog: View Blog (0)	Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:30 pm I will take my dad in for as long He needs it's. That being said I have let everyone know my speculations on the future and when it happens they will be on there own if they have not prepared. I have brought my kids back to the ranch.They know.
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