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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:48 pm
BUG OUT THREATS FROM YOUR OWN GOV?

Source : Misc Survivalism Newsgroup: From: "The Rifleman" steve.day73@ntlworld.com

More and more of the survivalist /self reliance/ communities and groups are
considering a threat to their personal privacy and security is now in the hands of their own governments or global governmental organisations.( UN/WHO / Nato/ EU etc)

People are starting to question the intentions of these bodies as they introduce ever more intrusive laws involving monitoring of the population as it goes about its lawful daily business. Monitoring is the first step in controlling a populations freedom to move about freely. The usual excuses are to help detect and prevent crime, or to improve the flow of traffic. Its the definition of the phrase " criminal " that is worrying, no one is to worried if it helps track down shop lifters, or car jackers, but what if
its the state deciding it is people who are simply outspoken against the govt in question. Perhaps it could even be something like your government not wanting people to flee/ evacuate/ or bug out from the town in case it interferes with military or other traffic movements.

CCTV systems on roads, freeways, motorways etc are now in theory being becoming capable of tracking the individual movements of single vehicles from start to finish of the vehicles journey. Malls and other public places have surveillance systems that use computer programs that can identify and
name people from cctv stills if their details are stored on a database.

Britain is becoming notorious for its erosion of its citizens rights, from the failed attempts to reduce gun crime by stripping law abiding citizens of the right to own guns, to some of the blanket coverage anti terrorism laws that can just as easily be used to subjugate the population as well as its
fights terrorists. A few current example are the suggestion that all roads and highways right across the nation become toll roads charging vehicles automatically ever time they venture down any given route. They talk about black boxes compulsorily fitted to all vehicles that sent an ID code and pin number to these black boxes sited on every junction along the road network. Another option being actively considered is using similar back boxes linked to satellites to monitor the movements of every vehicle and charging them toll automatically at the end of each journey. If you think those two systems in themselves are bad enough but before they are even off the drawing boards the Police are saying they would like the systems linked together to the DVLC ( vehicle registration bureau) the police computer
network and the motorway camera system. In Britain at this very time if an ordinary cop on duty at an airport takes a dislike to you all he has to do is say he believes you MAY be a soccer hooligan preparing to travel abroad to cause trouble, if he does that he can seize your passport there and then stopping you from going overseas.

On a side note , It is very amusing to me that many Americans still think of Britain as a freedom loving democracy, So long as the US govt continues to support extremist governments then freedom will continue to die out) The paranoia coming from the aviation industry in response to the horrors
of 9 11 and Bali is understood, but some of the intrusive actions taken against legitimate and law abiding citizens is at the very least draconian. So where does this leave the survivalist in his plans to use his retreat / holiday home/ camping trailer etc, At the moment it is still fairly easily to drive from A to B without attracting undue attention or to be followed /monitored but it is getting harder.

Again using Britain as an example the City of London has so many CCTV cameras now that they authorities can follow any vehicle from one side to the other without a break in camera coverage, add this to the armed police checkpoints set up in response to IRA terrorism you can see how its
becoming harder for city dwellers to move about or bug out in secret, This gets worse because the underground is heaving with CCTV cameras and transport cops, the airports are almost no go areas for outdoors folk travelling with their kit. The M25 orbital motorway ( Like Washington's Beltway) that surrounds London is very well covered on all on and off ramps with cameras, the road is heavily patrolled, and their is usually lots of air cover as well. Many cities, towns and main highways in Britain and the US are covered completely by CCTV cameras and aviation monitors this in my mind is simply creating a high risk of being detected or captured by who ever wishes to spoil your day. Also do remember that the authorities are becoming very expert at quickly closing off all roads to and from the larger towns and cities. Where does this ever increasing level of surveillance leave the survivalist,
At the moment you can travel safely to and from your retreat or bug out location without duress, but how long will it be before the authorities can simply enter your personal or vehicle details into their database and get a record of your movements for the last month ( don't say it wont happen, govts introduce laws like this all the time under the fighting terrorism guise), Imagine the joy on their faces when the database shows your vehicle repeatedly stopping in some remote location for up to six hours before returning home, BINGO they know at least the vicinity of your retreat, you may vary your route but your destination is always your retreat, Then along comes the state and seizes your stuff.

What are your options? who knows I am certain that if the socialists in Europe ( and the democrats in the US ) got their collective ways they would microchip every citizen ( excluding themselves of course) but so far it has not got that bad . But it does leave the question of getting to your place of safety or your caches without detection, I personally believe in spreading my resources about so that if the bad guys raid my home then at least my caches or my retreat kit is still secure, but even though I use my rural home as my prime safe place I may need to get the hell out and move to one of my alternatives.

Motor vehicles so far are still fairly secure but as each day goes by the monitoring systems get better and the governments get more intrusive, So I plan my caches and hideaways along reasonably reachable foot path or bridle routes and waterways, I leave open the option of doing without echanised
or motorised transport, Maybe you folks may wish to consider using bicycles, horses, small boats, micro lights as auxiliary methods of bugging out they are going to be far harder for big brother to track. It is easy to cover 25 miles a day using bikes or horses and its easier to avoid detection or
attract unwanted attention. You can make thinks easier for yourself by pre-dispersing your survival assets in secure locations outside your town/ city limits. Please consider options for reaching safety without resorting to your vehicles or public transport, esp if its your own government you are trying to avoid.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:28 pm
Interesting points made, and all good ones at that. You mentioned that you thought the EU socialists, and the liberals here would probably want to chip us all if they could.....it's the Conservatives too. In fact Newt Gingrich hosts the NSF meetings, and 2 of the docs they produced are all about nanotech being introduced into humans (cyborgs) even to the point that we could self diagnose our own bodies for contaminants, viruses, foreign bacterias, interface with networks, etc. Another doc, was all about human chipping, and the head scientist from Japan openly stated that the technology was perfected, and the infrastructure in place already......all they had to do was convince the ppl to get chipped. He said on a positive note, with a flick of a switch, all individuality could be wiped out from those chipped, creating a hive mind drone mentality within us. We would then receive our instructions from the local network, via wifi etc, and we would even be able to hear the instructions to other drones on the same system......and this is what our gov'ts spend billions and billions on. Email me if you'd like the docs. Good reads, and scary as sh!t.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:43 pm
How soon will the USG/Fema insist on evacuation of the Gulf Coast 'for their own good'? Oh, and rationing gas for the rest of us?

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I'm beginning to wonder if an EMP event might not be a bad thing, lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:01 pm
No way in hell are my family and I getting chipped. More and more I am considering just dropping out and staying that way.... If that's what I have to do to keep my freedom, so be it. Or, maybe it'll be a way to be able to fight if need be.....
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:20 pm
Interesting Stuff there I know they can track you now via cameras but how hard would it be to keep the truck or car your going to bug out in , in the shed till that day comes keep it fueled up and ready to go start it once a week or so and always be ready to move or if you have to spray paint it and remove your tags if SHTF would take 15 mins or so I know Time would be important but I think you could adapt to this as for the black boxes theres always a way to cover the transmitter

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:36 am
Heres a story from MSN on how the FDA has already aproved chipping. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/
Verichip is already making Commercials for it, you can see it here


Link To YouTube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PefTgQ5YeW0?autoplay=1
They also have a website where "patients" can log in, but I cant seem to find it anymore.

I am fully looking forward to EMP myself, the new tech. is getting out of control.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:02 am
JakeG wrote:Heres a story from MSN on how the FDA has already aproved chipping. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/

Yea jake that msnbc article was from 2004.
I do security type installation and a lot of gov and high end businesses use the veri chip in employees already and have been for some time now.

I heard Amish farmers actually stopped commercial farming due to the FDA making them chip the livestock.
Here is one for ya jake


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:21 pm
Johnny,

I think I remember this one, the amero is getting closer.
Probably the whole reasoning behing the recent 2 so called stimulus's.
Hyperinflation, leading into a "forced" decicion and ultimately a new currency of the Amero.

I heard about the Amish getting the raw deal too.
I bought a dog from the local Humain Society, and shes chipped.
I've been looking for a Vet to remove the chip, because I personally believe its going to be one of the biggest downfalls in society.

Thanks for the video, it was a reshot of the things I havent heard about in a bit.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:50 pm
Jake My Dog came with a chip also Pound said we had to get it to get the dog I really didnet want the animal chipped as she was a lab pup and I wanted to use her for hunting and just being my friend I looked for a vet who would remove the chip and no one would So I got low Tech and figured it out for myself RFID chips will not work after high Exposure to a Magnetic Field I went to the local Tv repair Shop and Rented out there Degauser ring plugged it in and placed it around her neck for like 5 mins no harm to the dog but the chip was unreadable when I took her back to the vet they wanted to place a new chip told them I would pass

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