A 50.BMG With a driver and Shooter

grimOne wrote:A cheapie regular red or green laser will harm someones eyes. It definitely will make following you difficult...but I prefer something a bit more powerful.

I've a seperate project involving a rail, scope, pistol grip and laser, as a less lethal device...one thing some don't know, a laser will work to blind people during the day.

With a firearm laser, don't put them on the person where they can see it, put it on them so they can't see.


A friend of mine way back in the late 1980's used a simple expedient, he had a spotlight.

http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyd ... 96-37.html

range is limited but it REALLY works. be careful with it folks. gee, i wonder what would happen if you used it against someone using a night vision scope...

Groan.... Well of course, Caltrops and Lasers are "Prohibited Devices" in Oz. Caltrops are classified as weapons, and lasers, other than those which the owner can demonstrate a legitimate use for, were banned after idiots began targeting police choppers, and aircraft during take-offs and landings.

I mentioned previously about using your windshield washer to make a smoke screen, I found someone that did it on youtube


Link To Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvX35jqw1_Q&NR=1

But I would suggest using transmission fluid instead of diesel fuel as this person did you get more smoke and no flame.

I have not read the whole thread, so pardon me if this has been said in one way, or another.

I have a 1999 GMC Suburban 2500 on 33" mud tires.

I know, after just reading that the first thought is that my plan is to just go where the persuing vehicle can't go right?

I have a better plan. Stop, put it in reverse and ram my trailer hitch through thier radiator, right before I climb over them and thoroughly destroy the front of the offending vehicle.

Well my friends.
In Canada we are legally allowed to buy Armor Piercing ammunition for cheap, as long as its surplus.
I own a SA58P. Luckly Czech-land sells their ammunition for disturbingly cheap (1200 rounds for 200$), and has a 129gr. Boat Tail steel core load chambered in 7.62x39mm. The ammunition I purchase was specifically made for my rifle.
When the Cartridge hits a certain target such as a metal object, or a hard object, It strips the lead casing, and a 22cal steel pin projects through the object it hit. The Czech's did this as a 'cost reducing' method so my Country said this is 'Ok' to Import.

At 100 Yards I was splitting an engine block of a Toyota, and the round bounced to the rear and severely dented the differential.
(Family of mine here uses a Wrecking Yard in the rural area, so we often practice vehicle shots and take downs with my guys.)

I would gladly supply you if I was able to export this ammunition to your country.
But, they wont let me do that.

If you can't get away, pull it over and deal with it.

Put a few in the radiator and drive like hell.

Would jacks (the toys) with the ends sharpened work? I've heard of motorcyclists carrying them to drop if cars tailgate. Could work, but may be urban legend.

Great Ideas - lots of them....
But I have a few comments....
Smoke Screen:
.... Putting Diesel oil of Trans fluid into the vehicle intake is a bad idea.
... It "Will" Cause your Emissions Control System to over react, and could cause your engine to shut down. If you are driving a vehicle with an automatic transmission, the negative effects are multiplied. If you are driving a vehicle with a standard transmission, the effects can be minimized.
.... Injecting Transmission fluid onto the outside of a hot catalytic converter will cause excessive smoke and not effect engine performance.
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Armor Piercing Bullets - Great idea, But finding them for your Gun/Pistol". Here is how I make mine....
...take a 9mm round, drill out the tip and put in 1.5cc to 2.5cc of fulminated mercury (depending upon the explosive effects you are looking for). Then seal the hollow point with a hard wax plug and leave enough to pour melted wax to completely seal the tip.
... Fulminated mercury is the primer used in a 22 shell. When the hammer strikes the casing the reaction causes the fulminated mercury to fire, which fires the bullet. Now, if you put the fulminated mercury charge in the tip of the bullet, it creates an explosive tip. How explosive, really effective - that's how much. My 9mm rounds would blow cinder blocks out of block walls, once blew the door off a 50's Cadillac that a suspect was using for cover while firing at us. Nothing entices a person to give up, than having concrete blocks fragmenting all around them. Incidentally, one shot into the grill of a persuing vehicle will literally stop that vehicle dead in its tracks.
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I only have about 600 rounds of these 9mm bullets. I don't plan on using them all at once. I just keep a clip or two handy. These are really effective and dangerous. They will virtually compromise and penetrate "all Body Armor" except 5/8" steel plate - and even put humongous dents in the steel plate. So if someone was wearing 5/8" steel plates as body armor - the shock would cause serious damage and they would be rendered unconscious for a bit as well. I never took the use of these doped bullets lightly, neither should you. But should you find your self fending off a zombie hoard armed with AK47 Assault riffles - my bet would be with the people who are using fulminated mercury tipped bullets 9mm, 38Cal or what ever. Anytime you have a projectile that goes in with a 5/16" hole and expands explosively to 30-120 times withing 1msecond - you are going to do a lot of damage.
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But I also need to point out that these bullets will not penetrate a 24" thick poured/reinforced concrete wall. This is why all the bunkers I have designed have 28" to 40" of reinforced Concrete outer shells. I built one off of I-40 near the California/Arizona Border for a group where we used a 12" thick Inner Wall Structure Separated by 24" of AirKrete and used a 24" Reinforced Concrete Outer Shell. The roof structure had 5 feet of loose/dry sand added, with a 12" thick reinforced concrete cap (the logic was that a bunker buster would penetrate the first shell and explode within the 5" sand trap - which would greatly reduce the penetrating effects of the bunker buster). The clients lead project manager was ex-military, and concerned about political instability.
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So the bunker complex was spread out and key support infrastructure was also duplicated. I will tell you - If I had his money, I would not have done any less. The only rift between us was due to my ribbing him about all those K-19's circling the globe and watching us build the stuff. He wasn't happy that no one thought of a way to conceal all the ground work - and was also miffed that "he" didn't think of it before me. 6-months afterwards, I looked on Google Earth and saw his facility. Yes it is hidden, but it looks like someone built something and buried it. Since it is arid land area, there isn't a lot of vegetation. Had it been in the trees, it would still show up for 5-10 years anyway. Then there is the ultimate pick - They spent a lot to plant cactus and other plants, not to mention the extensive irrigation system. But the Google earth shows a pattern. I mean, they planted more plants than the surrounding area (a give away revealed with google earth). Then there are all the suppressed roadway paths created by the people driving the machinery used to plants all those catus' - I mean you never see machinery marks in nature...I would equate this to a big green patch in the middle of a sandy desert (just creaming for someone to come and investigate). I told him not to worry too much about it now, just pull up all that pex pipe they are using the water the plants (because the pex pipe is kinda giving it all away anyway - and cactus and yuccas do not need irrigation). It would have been better if they had built everything 5-10 years before google earth became public domain. Even the old Terraserver system, was low quality, but revealed tons about so called hidden projects. Since Google Bought Out Terraserver, they have hyped it more and gotten a lot more exposure. Now anyone can spy on anyone. To find things out, you just have to be observant.
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To illustrate my point:
In the late 1970's I was part of a Military Exercise that took Place at Fort Fisher Beach, North Carolina. We put a Tactical Air Control Unit at the Ft. Fisher Radar Station. The Tactical Air Control Unit Consisted of a TPS-43E (a Tactical 3-Dimensiona Air Defense Radar). We put the Mobile Microwave Radio Equipment on the beach. When we camouflaged everything it looked really cool and hidden. The humorous part was that the Arial Photo Recon Flights revealed that we had equipment on the beach, but no cables (we buried all the comm cables in the sand, but IR revealed the equipment under the Cammo netting). In the woods we did better, but IR showed we had cabling and no equipment. So picture this. You have a beach with a lot of equipment and no cables connecting the equipment. But 1/4 mile to the west you have a large wooded ares with cabling running from bush to bush (as it that wasn't suspicious enough - there was one really large bush rotating). So the arial photography showed the short comings of what we thought was a well laid out and executed camouflage plan. But we were looking from the ground level, the areal views showed all the short comings and missed areas that we thought were covered.
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So how do you hide your project? Good question. The wine cellar excuse would work for a home bunker. And a whole community building wine cellars would maybe raise a few eye brows - but if you started interconnecting all those wine cellars with tunnels - you will be drawing a bulls eye...
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So now I have a comment about perimeter security. Or neighborhood security. This one involves compressed air. I like this idea so much I have used it in three bunker complexes.
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Compressed Air Defense....
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When you bury 2" perforated air pipes 24" into the ground with a lot of sans and inorganic fill (such as styrofoam pellets) you get a somewhat stable ground surface to use for a driveway. Putting a 1" layer of chipped asphalt will give the false impression of a stable road surface. In fact it will be stable, and you can drive trucks over it.
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Now, when you charge the air tubes, you cause the ground to become essentially liquid. All that air will be displacing soil and sand (and yes, it will work just as well on damp and even wet sand if you included the styrofoam filler material). How effective? Well, let me pout it this way - It will bury the on comming vehicle in 20-24" of soil. A tank won't be able to go through it, and won't be able to get out. I know it works to stop and trap a D9 Dozier - so what chance do you think those SUV or 4WD Pickup Driving Zombies will, have? Right - NO CHANCE AT ALL!!!
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So why don't they just drive around the driveway? Well - Suppose you do the same for the yard on either side of the driveway? A nice grass field may look stable, but 2" of top soil can hide a lot of sand. So the first ones to take to the yards are the first to become cyote bait.
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You can still plant flowers and such, and you can still mow the yard with a tractor. The soil will remain stable until the air tubes are charged.
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Also, This works on a paver or brick driveway as well. But, the brick/paver driveway is a lot more troublesome to rebuild after an event. But the results of seeing a Tracked Vehicle, or even a truck/SUV trapped in a brick or paver rubble pile is an astonishing sight.
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Now back to the thread comments....
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Out running the persuing zombies. Is this really a good idea? What stops them from following you back to your Bug Out Location?
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I won't go into the uninformed statement that they could also call their buddies on their cell phones - because as everyone knows (and is a documented FEMA Fact) Cell Phones will not be serviceable in a disaster or crisis situation. The system is not designed with the redundancy of a wired phone system, and is subject to overload on any given moment. Smart Preppers do not depend upon cell phones - Period.
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Dave
Phoenix, AZ

Ricky what about the one that was bad LOL



Link To Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0oxHT8ppYI


Texas Armoring Smoke screen


Link To Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpwtJQbj6Pk